While I'm on a complete "retro Post" schtick I thought some of the new CBOers might find this interesting...I hope!
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I was asked by Ekki what plans I had for D-Gruppe following the mini series and 2012 Annual -all events taking place before The Return of the Gods graphic novel?
Well, the important thing for me was to get the old stories that have been lying around for a couple decades, and which establish D-Gruppe, out in print first. The whole Revenge Of The Ice Queen followed by the Zeitgeist saga established a great deal and led into two main books: The Trial and, of course, The Return of the Gods: Twilight of the Super Heroes.
The Trial was originally published in the mid-1990s in four parts though it had been intended to serialise it before in the comic project JAG 2000 (long story). In this story, which I am NOT going to go into details of because it is currently being re-lettered (originally hand lettered but that is too poor a quality to offer readers today), the D-Gruppe members are seen inter-acting with the UK heroes and, in fact, the UK heroes travel to Germany to help D-Gruppe and heroes first glimpsed in the Zeit Geist story.
But important changes to BT characters took place in this story -how did Wavell get that huge facial scar we see in Return? How did Tech-Man get replaced by Rachel Flynn? Even the ending links all the D-Gruppe storylines to Return.
The Trial should be out as a graphic novel in December of this year (2013).
Hopefully, the very -very- long delayed appearance of Task Force Germany will have taken place before then. The first story should have appeared in 1994 but there were delays -initially Art Wetherell was to draw the book but had to opt out and a couple other artists stepped in but there were problems.
Back in 1982 I was sending project proposals, character sketches and so on to Marvel Comics. At that point i saw working for my all time favourite comic as the star to aim for. What a dim-wit! Anyway, I wanted to develop the silent character, The Attacker, and I thought Marvel might go for a comic in which everything was visual -no caption boxes, speech balloons, etc.. The character was shortish and wore a skin-tight black costume with large white eye-holes.
I was a little shocked when I saw the black costumed Spider-man emerge a couple years later. But that’s comics. The other character I tried to convince Epic Comics (part of Marvel) was really “great” -the creator owned line had started up in 1982 so I got straight to it. Marvel had rejected The Attacker -“no comic fan is going to buy a comic where you never find out the characters real identity and there is no text!” but -BUT- surely a Lutheran priest (later changed to Catholic) that has some kind of strange, all-black creature linked to him would be a winner?
No.
Considering what they were publishing I thought to feedback of “too dark” was just ridiculous. A year or so later came…Venom.
So the character who started out as German, had to be changed to an American reverted back to German. But there is a problem. If someone is the artist of a book and they have asked to work on your script -your characters- all and good. But, oh no, artists can be an odd lot.
“Yeah, I see him as a Nazi who was in charge of a concentration camp and was sent to Hell and he now hunts and kills Nazies(sic)” was how one artist saw it. He even re-wrote everything to conform to his idea.
My response? “NO! You have the character details and you can choreograph action scenes freely BUT the story and the character ARE the story and the character”
And the response? “I can’t see it going anywhere the way you’ve written it. If we go with my idea I think this would be a sure hit!”
We parted company. Never heard of the man again.
Then another approached me having seen my sketch and idea on a German comic forum -for the life of me I cannot recall what forum but I did get about a lot! “Love the script!” he wrote.
A month later I got pages through and a letter. “I think this works better than your idea. I see him as a Catholic priest, a paedophile who was also a drunk and embezzler. To cleanse his soul he makes a deal with lucifer….”
Oh dear.
Then the pages of a character that looked exactly like Venom. This was not the look I had wanted or explained. Neither was there a scene anywhere in my script showing a terrified little girl on a bed as the priest disrobed!! I explained what the whole idea of the character was and that the whole story of the priest-amorph came out over the planned four issues in a big climax in Koln Cathedral.
“But that’s lame”, I was told, “the way I see it you have got to show people this guy is a ****** ****! Then you build on that. I can’t see it work your way.”
We parted company. I ought to point out that not only did the artist want to re-write everything and change character appearances and names but he also wanted that “Nazi element. Everyone knows Germans were Nazis!”
This is something I have come across over and over again in the last couple decades. I allways allow artists freedom to draw action scenes so long as the result fits in with the actual story/script -unless they really do need that action written for them. But I can think off-hand of fifteen artists I’ve worked with who have decided to re-write (badly) and make changes. Where are they now?
So, I decided that amorph and priest would become a part of the Task
Force Germany team. Sadly, after a couple more stops and starts nothing
came of it until now.
Leere (emptyness/blankness/void) was another problem. I tried explaining that the character is not an invisible man and neither is he wearing a mask like the old Charlton Question character. You can see a vague “something” where the head is. But you could also see slightly through him. Clothes are the only solid texture on him/it/her.
There are several characters like this in Black Tower -a link I wanted to explore by now. Characters such as Nemesis (a Belgian character) and No Face from The Paranormals (published in Tales Of Terror 3.
Above -the new and more violent Owl and below -Ollie the Owlcraft!
But there were newer characters independent of previous stories such
as Adam Ewigkeit who had a very brief cameo in issue 2 of D-Gruppe,
Herrc Spinne, Der Racher, Tom Katze und Kätzchen…well, the D-Gruppe
world would be well populated.
All the rough sketches I’ve now found so I’m hoping that the new
characters will appear fairly soon and we have to remember that some of
D-Gruppe, including Kopfmann its leader, vanished into space during the
Return Of The Gods story. Where are they? Will they return?
Guess.
“The Days Of Darkness” story should have been told by now but I’m planning and D-Gruppe will quite literally be shaken to the core by what happens.
And there is planned a couple of brief glimpses at the D-Gruppe of a darker Earth Parallel (EP667) -from which readers have already seen a far more different Link character.
All with Ben Dilworth on board so that the original team is back together! Had Bastei actually published D-Gruppe and had that title continued we’d now be over twenty years into continuity! Curse you Bastei!!! :-/
Below, a glimpse of D-Gruppe EP667 courtesy of Ben Dilworth.
There was also the question of getting a permanent design for a D-Gruppe flier-transport so a quirky design was this one….
As a final note on characters to have been introduced I have only two
rough pages left featuring a character rejected by Eros Comix because
“its more humour not porn” -Devilina. Independent of any D-Gruppe or
Task Force Germany, Devilina would be a character popping up all over
the place as well as in solo adventures.
Now, this posting is getting rather long but I hope it has shown that D-Gruppe was by no means a
small idea that never developed!
In fact, in 2014 it is planned to go all-out on the German side of Black Tower in a final “Do or Die” push so keep watching these pages.
All images, characters, designs (except the stealth aircraft!) are (c) 2013 Terry Hooper-Scharf and Black Tower Comics & Books
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D-Gruppe: Past, Present & Future
Well, the important thing for me was to get the old stories that have been lying around for a couple decades, and which establish D-Gruppe, out in print first. The whole Revenge Of The Ice Queen followed by the Zeitgeist saga established a great deal and led into two main books: The Trial and, of course, The Return of the Gods: Twilight of the Super Heroes.
The Trial was originally published in the mid-1990s in four parts though it had been intended to serialise it before in the comic project JAG 2000 (long story). In this story, which I am NOT going to go into details of because it is currently being re-lettered (originally hand lettered but that is too poor a quality to offer readers today), the D-Gruppe members are seen inter-acting with the UK heroes and, in fact, the UK heroes travel to Germany to help D-Gruppe and heroes first glimpsed in the Zeit Geist story.
But important changes to BT characters took place in this story -how did Wavell get that huge facial scar we see in Return? How did Tech-Man get replaced by Rachel Flynn? Even the ending links all the D-Gruppe storylines to Return.
The Trial should be out as a graphic novel in December of this year (2013).
Hopefully, the very -very- long delayed appearance of Task Force Germany will have taken place before then. The first story should have appeared in 1994 but there were delays -initially Art Wetherell was to draw the book but had to opt out and a couple other artists stepped in but there were problems.
Back in 1982 I was sending project proposals, character sketches and so on to Marvel Comics. At that point i saw working for my all time favourite comic as the star to aim for. What a dim-wit! Anyway, I wanted to develop the silent character, The Attacker, and I thought Marvel might go for a comic in which everything was visual -no caption boxes, speech balloons, etc.. The character was shortish and wore a skin-tight black costume with large white eye-holes.
I was a little shocked when I saw the black costumed Spider-man emerge a couple years later. But that’s comics. The other character I tried to convince Epic Comics (part of Marvel) was really “great” -the creator owned line had started up in 1982 so I got straight to it. Marvel had rejected The Attacker -“no comic fan is going to buy a comic where you never find out the characters real identity and there is no text!” but -BUT- surely a Lutheran priest (later changed to Catholic) that has some kind of strange, all-black creature linked to him would be a winner?
No.
Considering what they were publishing I thought to feedback of “too dark” was just ridiculous. A year or so later came…Venom.
So the character who started out as German, had to be changed to an American reverted back to German. But there is a problem. If someone is the artist of a book and they have asked to work on your script -your characters- all and good. But, oh no, artists can be an odd lot.
“Yeah, I see him as a Nazi who was in charge of a concentration camp and was sent to Hell and he now hunts and kills Nazies(sic)” was how one artist saw it. He even re-wrote everything to conform to his idea.
My response? “NO! You have the character details and you can choreograph action scenes freely BUT the story and the character ARE the story and the character”
And the response? “I can’t see it going anywhere the way you’ve written it. If we go with my idea I think this would be a sure hit!”
We parted company. Never heard of the man again.
Then another approached me having seen my sketch and idea on a German comic forum -for the life of me I cannot recall what forum but I did get about a lot! “Love the script!” he wrote.
A month later I got pages through and a letter. “I think this works better than your idea. I see him as a Catholic priest, a paedophile who was also a drunk and embezzler. To cleanse his soul he makes a deal with lucifer….”
Oh dear.
Then the pages of a character that looked exactly like Venom. This was not the look I had wanted or explained. Neither was there a scene anywhere in my script showing a terrified little girl on a bed as the priest disrobed!! I explained what the whole idea of the character was and that the whole story of the priest-amorph came out over the planned four issues in a big climax in Koln Cathedral.
“But that’s lame”, I was told, “the way I see it you have got to show people this guy is a ****** ****! Then you build on that. I can’t see it work your way.”
We parted company. I ought to point out that not only did the artist want to re-write everything and change character appearances and names but he also wanted that “Nazi element. Everyone knows Germans were Nazis!”
This is something I have come across over and over again in the last couple decades. I allways allow artists freedom to draw action scenes so long as the result fits in with the actual story/script -unless they really do need that action written for them. But I can think off-hand of fifteen artists I’ve worked with who have decided to re-write (badly) and make changes. Where are they now?
Leere (emptyness/blankness/void) was another problem. I tried explaining that the character is not an invisible man and neither is he wearing a mask like the old Charlton Question character. You can see a vague “something” where the head is. But you could also see slightly through him. Clothes are the only solid texture on him/it/her.
There are several characters like this in Black Tower -a link I wanted to explore by now. Characters such as Nemesis (a Belgian character) and No Face from The Paranormals (published in Tales Of Terror 3.
The other
character was Donar (Thor) but a more traditional version exiled on
Earth and living in ancient forestry. The exile would have been due to
his objecting to the plans on Pax olympus that led to Return Of The Gods.
And, living in the forestry, Donar would
have a problem with the theft of food by a real-life European wildman
called…uh, Wildemann!
This little group would have been brought
together by Simon LeCorbeau, a multi-billionaire with a long history in
Black Tower -he appeared in the second Pete Forrest & Geni story back in 1986. And his choice to lead the team was…
Zauberinnen (Sorceress). Her origins were to be vague -was she a goddess or half-god or simply a supreme sorceress?
Her origins would be revealed towards the
end of the first story arc but I do love to spin a mystery! A solo story
-Tod Durch Bei Blind Verabredung or Death By Blind Date, would have
revealed a few bits and pieces about the character in a back-up strip to
have been drawn by Andrew Hope.
The Zeitgeist story had also established
that heroes from other Earths had been stranded Black Towers Earth and
there should have been stories establishing some of these -The Trial did
so for some but Regenbogen Zauberer (Rainbow Wizard) never got to face
the Storm giant in Germanys Höllental (Hell
valley -a real place).
There was also the question, considering
that D-Gruppe was getting over-crowded and the members needed to be
accommodated at more convenient locations around the country ot “where?”
Well, for Klaus von Happe no problem
buying out of the way property to redevelop. One had its own storyline
-“Spukhaus” or Ghost House. What the heck was a house like this doing
out in the middle of forestry?
And -haunted? Well there is the Red
Ghost…this old rough shows him. Though he may well become the Green
Ghost and it is a character that last appeared in a 2002 (?) copy of
Adventure and the Ten Dancing Monkeys story.
And the mystery surrounding Waldmeister
should have grown when his brother (referred to in The Revenge Of The
Ice Queen) Meer Peter (Sea Peter)…and another big jewelled staff!
But the characters seen in Zeit Geist were
to change slightly. David Holmes was a solicitor/lawyer when he was
introduced in the story “The Owl” back in 1987 -he adopted the
Owl guise in a rather violent pursuit of a murderer. When he turned up
in Zeit Geist he is merely a lawyer for von Happe Industries who helps
out on some cases.
But after The Trial, Holmes was due to
return to costume (reasons not being disclosed here!) and
adapted/rebuilt one of the old D-Gruppe flyers (as seen in Revenge of
the Ice Queen) into a personal transport which he named “Ollie” after
his favourite TV character Ollie Beak http://www.turnipnet.com/whirligig/tv/children/smalltime/smalltime.htm
Guess.
“The Days Of Darkness” story should have been told by now but I’m planning and D-Gruppe will quite literally be shaken to the core by what happens.
And there is planned a couple of brief glimpses at the D-Gruppe of a darker Earth Parallel (EP667) -from which readers have already seen a far more different Link character.
All with Ben Dilworth on board so that the original team is back together! Had Bastei actually published D-Gruppe and had that title continued we’d now be over twenty years into continuity! Curse you Bastei!!! :-/
Below, a glimpse of D-Gruppe EP667 courtesy of Ben Dilworth.
Though a
sleeker model could be based on the below which I think are quite cool
and “futuristic” without becoming too science fiction.
Now, this posting is getting rather long but I hope it has shown that D-Gruppe was by no means a
small idea that never developed!
In fact, in 2014 it is planned to go all-out on the German side of Black Tower in a final “Do or Die” push so keep watching these pages.
All images, characters, designs (except the stealth aircraft!) are (c) 2013 Terry Hooper-Scharf and Black Tower Comics & Books
The darker backing for the blog looks cool, Terry, perfect for Halloween BBBRRR.I've been reading through the posts ( thanks for JACK ) - especially the 'first German Superheroes' one.... and it dawned on me - it might not be a great idea; but why not ? The ATTACKER is a minimum dialogue ( or no dialogue ) strip. Why not publish an ATTACKER book in both English - and German ? I know translating ( believe me - I know ! ) anything from one language into another can be a pain in the ass - but with the ATTACKER, because of it's very nature, that problem is halved.
ReplyDeleteJust thought I'd mention it - as I'm working on an ATTACKER now. It's blackness appealed to my mood. I'll comment again later.
Hmm. Well I get messed up at the November event then I'm going to Europe!!Yesterday, for a Sunday, was odd stat-wise: 2,516 on a usually quiet day. Today (1020hrs) stats: 1726....interesting to see how this goes! Google plus has gone up to 845, 884. See? No rhyme or reason. Now, gotta go shop before I just collapse on the sofa!
ReplyDeleteI've been keeping an eye on your CBO page stats ( on and off, but recently more seriously ) and you're averaging 70 hits an hour, 1680 a day. Good numbers. Good luck with the November event - a package is coming to you with a few DARK HOPES in it for that soon, just trying to finish off bits and pieces...... And then you're off to Europe - permanently ? Or visiting family ? Anyway - off 'ome.
ReplyDeletevisit my aunt in Germany and if I got the chance -MOVE there!!!!
ReplyDeleteUp to 854, 527 on Google+ from Monday's 845, 884. But today on CBO just 980 views up to 19:30 hrs. And there DOES appear to be a problem somewhere because even the Chinese views are low. NOBODY LOVES ME ANY MORE!! BWAAAAAAAAAH!!
ReplyDeleteInteresting and proving something happened to Blogger. Yesterday 1377 views yet Google+ rose to 859, 339 -4,000 views. These Google+ views are not shown on blogger stats. Maybe everything ought to shift over to Google+ then?
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