Time for a little re-post for those of you who were not here in April 2014 -plus added art -oooooh!
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The question has allways been, for me, do I ‘reboot’ UK Golden Age comic characters or do I leave them as they were?
Let’s be honest here: there was no big writer-artist teams in UK comics of the 1939-1951 period. No Simon and Kirby’s. We’ve never really had an idea of what creators were paid in those days but I’m going to guess it was not a great deal. Comics were cheap, throw-away entertainment that only cost a few pennies.
Gerald Swan is the best known publisher from this period and his attitude seemed to be that there was a huge gap in the market left by import restrictions (thanks to that Hitler bloke). Swan was an entrepreneur and he paid what he thought was appropriate.
No doubt Harry Banger and others who could supply strips on a weekly basis got the best deals but even then the creator had to keep churning out the work.
I doubt that one of these men -or women- sat down one day and plotted a long term storyline for their characters. This was not the “Marvel Age of Comics” and with all the restrictions facing publishers I doubt whether many even believed more work would be coming in and even if it was -for how long?
So, it was basically a strip with a few vizual gags and then a punchline or “wham bam action!” in the space of one or a few pages. No great characterizations.
Take Zom of the Zodiac by S. K. Perkins. One story in which Zom peeks around a corner, turns a bullied man into a taller, better looking man to trouncew the bully but when said man becomes too full of himself…Zom changes him back. Yes, probably a moral in there and we Brits loved some morals in our comic strips! But you have to ask -“What?” “Who?” “Why?”
I’ve used Zom now for almost 30 years and developed him into a more complex character but those questions still apply to a degree. He seems to be friends with The All Seeing Eye, has had a hand in guiding super heroes/crime-fighters over the decades if not centuries but we still have no 100% answer to who or what he is. The Green Skies will see a little more revealed and, perhaps, a glimpse or hint at who he might be.
And TNT Tom, and later his cousin Tina: given powers by aliens, Tom saves miners after a cave-in, stops a gang of cop-killers and even saves Earth from biological attack by aliens. His main concern? That his dad does not find out “the Wonder Boy” is none other than his own son.
Luckily, the odd press photographer is avoided but imagine TNT Tom based in 2013 with all the
cameras, cell phones, dvrs and so on!
Characters such as Moon Man or Marsman had one off appearances but over the years they have been developed somewhat. In the Black Tower universe there is life on Mars, albeit underground -even an explanation as to why the various Martian races took that root. For the Moon Man, well, we have a very rich literary history of Selenite civilisation from the pulps onward.
Both Mars and the Moon races feature in Green Skies (the Martians referring to Earth people as “our biological cousins” which ties in with the belief that life on Earth may have originated from Martian meteorites).
Rodney Dearth, creator of The Iron Warrior has been a bit of a regular in Black Tower over the years -can anyone forget 2011s incredible The Iron Warrior Vs Big Bong?? Or 2014s The Collected Iron Warrior? Dearth was, as I’ve pointed out in previous postings, a typical Colonial Britisher. To save you going all the way back to 2011 postings…and if it is still complete....
This can be said to be true when it comes to the Iron Warrior.
I can onloy find one source with any information on the character up to 1990 and that is the late Denis Gifford’s Encyclopedia of Comic Characters [Longman,London,1987]. In the entry for The Iron Warrior,Gifford writes:
“..the most violent and bloodiest strip ever seen in British comics to this time,and for several decades to come. Rodney Dearth,seeking the Jewels of Junius,arrives at the site of the Temple of Sloth in Central Africa,accompanied by his robot,the Iron Warrior. Captured by a White Princess,he summons the Warrior (‘wavelength 60,impulse 400′). Crying ‘I come Master!’ and also ‘Ahrrr! Whoo-roo! Roar!’,the Warrior’s built-in chopper slices up the Sloths,cuts up a giant crocodile,and pulls the head off an outsize eagle.”
And from this we get entries in the Internationalheroes site:
“A robot controlled by Rodney Dearth, who used it to hunt treasure with him in Africa.
The Warrior isn’t really a hero, as it kills anyone who threatens its master, whose own goals are far from altruistic.”
Hmm. But then we get,at the League for Extraordinary Gentlemen fan site:
“The Surrogate League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
When the government decided to form the Worral’s League they based it very closely on Mina’s first League, “When in 1946 it was apparent that Miss Murray and her colleagues had deserted our employ by going missing in America, MI5 elected to replace the group with surrogates in an attempt to recreate the impact of the 1898 ensemble…”
YAAAR! RRRAHHH! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Oh. I do beg your pardon. Had a bit of an “Iron Warrior” moment there. Seriously,I hate this whole “we know nothing about the character but it seems it was a killer controlled by a killer so let’s write that” crap.
“…Dearth was not a hero and had a more villainous overtone. He would command the Warrior to do various illegal things, including kill people.”
Dearth was not a villain or scheming killer. Anyone read any old boys adventure books or H. Ryder Haggard? By applying what the League page and Internationalheroes entry has written then we have to re-classify Alan Quartermaine as a cold blooded villain. In fact,up until more politically correct times,most heroes would need to be re-classed according to this methodology. Biggles takes on arch villain proportions. Even Indiana Jones would be classed as out-doing the Nazis considering how many deaths he’s caused directly or indirectly. Think on that.
Let’s get a little bit of perspective here. Sit down kiddies because if you’ve not watched any films made between 1920 to…well…now,and if you’ve not read any history on the British Empire or American Imperialism [“Hey,Japan:we’ve gun ships and troops harbored offshore now do business with us ‘voluntarily’ or we’ll make you!”] -in fact any empire or power!- you may be shocked.
Most sea-faring nations such as Spain,Italy,England,France etc.,sent out exploratory ships/fleets to seek out new lands and new treasures and subdue the local population by any means including genocide [keep some alive for slaves,of course]. The Ashante were great at being slavers and made a lot of money out of it. It’s a two-way thing you see -are black african slavers villains? Hey,slavery still exists today and amongst some of the West’s best pal nations.
But these Europeans were brave hero-explorers. Anyone hear of a little group called the Conquistadores? Dutch East India Company? The British East India Company -all had their private armies to,uh,”smooth things through”.
Ever read King Solomon’s Mines?
In comparison,Dearth was a limp-wristed liberal! Hmm. If you were a British soldier at Rourke’s Drift with Zulu warriors rushing toward you would you throw down your rifle and wave -”Hello! I’m really against all this imperialism stuff -care for tea and a chat?” Mind you,in Zulu Dawn,Denholm Elliott’s character more or less did just that -and was killed straight away!
Whichever city you lived in -London,Berlin,Paris- you would hear stories of strange lands,lost treasures and much more. The urge to follow those tales continue to this very day. If a chap was on his uppers and the old estate was falling to bits and,to be frank,the family coffers had been emptied long ago it was disgrace and destitution -but if you could find the “lost treasure” or anything worth a few quid you were saved!
I know that it is wrong to just go marching in,putting down the “locals” and stealing things that belong to them,whether they want to exploit it themselves or not –hey,I’m still for returning the Elgin Marbles and all those Egyptian artefacts we,uh,borrowed!
The context is that this was a totally different world. Officers and troopers posing for photographs of themselves resting their feet on a heap of natives heads should have been totally unacceptable even in the 19th century but it happened -apparently “fun” hunts were organised with horse-riding officers carrying “pig-stickers” but I get a feeling the natives involved weren’t having too much fun!
A white man would have his weapons because,even if a peaceful person,not all native persons were friendly in return [read some history]. I could write on the subject all day but it wouldn’t help.
The point is that we know,in the Iron Warrior strip,only that Dearth arrives in Africa with his creation. If attacked he defended himself. In volume 3 of the Black Tower Gold Collection,I published such a strip. Dearth is exploring an area when a local priest stirs things up -Dearth is attacked and,though he could easily do so,he does not set about killing everyone. In fact,he does fend off an attack by rushing straight at the warriors but then tries to use cunning to defeat the witch doctor.
Once the threat is sorted,Dearth goes on his way. The one thing we see is that the Iron Warrior is far from some type of remote-controlled killer doing its master’s bidding. It’s what would today be called a controlled vehicle or “power suit”.
Dearth get’s inside the Iron Warrior and operates controls and fires his weapons from here. He also operates the axe-wielding arm. Guessing at Dearth’s height the Iron Warrior has to be around 3-4 metres tall [10-12 feet]. But,it is still nothing more than a kind of hostile environment suit -almost similar to later [better designed] deep water suits.
What Denis Gifford wrote I have to take to be accurate -he did have a massive collection. So,I’m guessing that there was a remote control device and,it seems,a vocaliser of sorts. This does not appear in the later strips I’ve seen. That said,continuity was never a great strongpoint in comics back then.
Yes,the strip was violent but you have to recall that in early Tarzan films there were people being killed violently and arrows sticking out of heads. And,sadly,in war time Britain death was a daily event and kids [and adults] enjoyed a good “Darkest Africa” story with some white chap up against the natives.
So,do not think that,based on what people who have a narrow view of a character write,that Dearth and the Iron Warrior were just deadly killers. They weren’t.
Now,back to Big Bong!
The Iron Warrior vs Big Bong: When Giants Fought, written & drawn by Ben R. Dilworth
plus Jungle Terror by Terry Hooper-Scharf from Black Tower Adventure are available in one nice comic album at http://www.lulu.com/shop/terry-hooper-scharf/the-iron-warrior-collection/paperback/product-21157919.html
The thing is that you have to understand the age these characters come from. Putting 21st century sensibilities or any modern day ideas into characters from the mid-20th century just make them horrible Marvel or DC style reboot
How does this work when the characters come into contact with contemporary Black Tower characters? Well, buy the books and find out! Following Green Skies there will be a more formalised chronology for the characters so that there is a definite JLA-Justice Society (Earth 1 and Earth 2) vibe going on. Though the characters have met before the Green Skies saga will clear things up for newer readers but -and I have to emphasise this- the characters are not changed and certain not rebooted!!
If you cannot treat characters with certain respect and try to stay true to how they first appeared then you have failed as a creator. We do not have to reboot so that TNT Tom is afraid his father will find out he is the Wonder Boy because his father is a violent child beater!!
The reaction from people who first read the comics as kids 60-70 years ago and purchased the Black Tower reprints was that they were “over joyed” and thought they would never see their favourite characters again. Okay, not great sales but just those few comments give me a big boost.
But you get the odd person who says: "But Stransky & Labbat's Slicksure is different from the one in the Black Tower Golden Age Collection!" Yes, the character is the same but he is not drawn by Harry Banger -I think Gerald Swan would have loved the S&L Slicksure version because all it is, being honest, is drawn in a contemporary style.
You can add or develop these old characters but you MUST be true to what they were and, being honest, the industry is swamped in reboots, darkness, blurry-lined “good and evil” and just not enough fun.
To me, the up-dated Phantom Maid, Ace Hart, The Bat (which ever) and others such as Krakos are only "up-dated" in the sense that they are being written and drawn by modern creators. I would never dare to suppose that I had the right to drastically change characters. Develop, yes, but never ever "re-boot"!
Yes, I’m an old fart but I think you still have to see comics as having some fun…
Let’s be honest here: there was no big writer-artist teams in UK comics of the 1939-1951 period. No Simon and Kirby’s. We’ve never really had an idea of what creators were paid in those days but I’m going to guess it was not a great deal. Comics were cheap, throw-away entertainment that only cost a few pennies.
Gerald Swan is the best known publisher from this period and his attitude seemed to be that there was a huge gap in the market left by import restrictions (thanks to that Hitler bloke). Swan was an entrepreneur and he paid what he thought was appropriate.
No doubt Harry Banger and others who could supply strips on a weekly basis got the best deals but even then the creator had to keep churning out the work.
I doubt that one of these men -or women- sat down one day and plotted a long term storyline for their characters. This was not the “Marvel Age of Comics” and with all the restrictions facing publishers I doubt whether many even believed more work would be coming in and even if it was -for how long?
So, it was basically a strip with a few vizual gags and then a punchline or “wham bam action!” in the space of one or a few pages. No great characterizations.
Take Zom of the Zodiac by S. K. Perkins. One story in which Zom peeks around a corner, turns a bullied man into a taller, better looking man to trouncew the bully but when said man becomes too full of himself…Zom changes him back. Yes, probably a moral in there and we Brits loved some morals in our comic strips! But you have to ask -“What?” “Who?” “Why?”
I’ve used Zom now for almost 30 years and developed him into a more complex character but those questions still apply to a degree. He seems to be friends with The All Seeing Eye, has had a hand in guiding super heroes/crime-fighters over the decades if not centuries but we still have no 100% answer to who or what he is. The Green Skies will see a little more revealed and, perhaps, a glimpse or hint at who he might be.
And TNT Tom, and later his cousin Tina: given powers by aliens, Tom saves miners after a cave-in, stops a gang of cop-killers and even saves Earth from biological attack by aliens. His main concern? That his dad does not find out “the Wonder Boy” is none other than his own son.
Luckily, the odd press photographer is avoided but imagine TNT Tom based in 2013 with all the
Characters such as Moon Man or Marsman had one off appearances but over the years they have been developed somewhat. In the Black Tower universe there is life on Mars, albeit underground -even an explanation as to why the various Martian races took that root. For the Moon Man, well, we have a very rich literary history of Selenite civilisation from the pulps onward.
Both Mars and the Moon races feature in Green Skies (the Martians referring to Earth people as “our biological cousins” which ties in with the belief that life on Earth may have originated from Martian meteorites).
Rodney Dearth, creator of The Iron Warrior has been a bit of a regular in Black Tower over the years -can anyone forget 2011s incredible The Iron Warrior Vs Big Bong?? Or 2014s The Collected Iron Warrior? Dearth was, as I’ve pointed out in previous postings, a typical Colonial Britisher. To save you going all the way back to 2011 postings…and if it is still complete....
Was The Iron Warrior A Villain???
It occurs to me that,today,a lot of comickers who have no real knowledge of UK Golden Age characters will make things up or make bad guesses based on what they might have seen.This can be said to be true when it comes to the Iron Warrior.
I can onloy find one source with any information on the character up to 1990 and that is the late Denis Gifford’s Encyclopedia of Comic Characters [Longman,London,1987]. In the entry for The Iron Warrior,Gifford writes:
“..the most violent and bloodiest strip ever seen in British comics to this time,and for several decades to come. Rodney Dearth,seeking the Jewels of Junius,arrives at the site of the Temple of Sloth in Central Africa,accompanied by his robot,the Iron Warrior. Captured by a White Princess,he summons the Warrior (‘wavelength 60,impulse 400′). Crying ‘I come Master!’ and also ‘Ahrrr! Whoo-roo! Roar!’,the Warrior’s built-in chopper slices up the Sloths,cuts up a giant crocodile,and pulls the head off an outsize eagle.”
And from this we get entries in the Internationalheroes site:
“A robot controlled by Rodney Dearth, who used it to hunt treasure with him in Africa.
The Warrior isn’t really a hero, as it kills anyone who threatens its master, whose own goals are far from altruistic.”
Hmm. But then we get,at the League for Extraordinary Gentlemen fan site:
“The Surrogate League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
When the government decided to form the Worral’s League they based it very closely on Mina’s first League, “When in 1946 it was apparent that Miss Murray and her colleagues had deserted our employ by going missing in America, MI5 elected to replace the group with surrogates in an attempt to recreate the impact of the 1898 ensemble…”
- The Invisible Man (Peter Brady) = The Invisible Man (Hawley Griffin)
- Prof James Gray = Nemo (both submarine builders, Nemo even inspired Gray in League V2)
- Worrals = Mina (female leads experienced in death)
- Wolf of Kabul = Quatermain (both in the great white hunter tradition, they even both wear pith helmets)
- The Iron Warrior = Hyde (both really killers pressed into service).
YAAAR! RRRAHHH! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Oh. I do beg your pardon. Had a bit of an “Iron Warrior” moment there. Seriously,I hate this whole “we know nothing about the character but it seems it was a killer controlled by a killer so let’s write that” crap.
“…Dearth was not a hero and had a more villainous overtone. He would command the Warrior to do various illegal things, including kill people.”
Dearth was not a villain or scheming killer. Anyone read any old boys adventure books or H. Ryder Haggard? By applying what the League page and Internationalheroes entry has written then we have to re-classify Alan Quartermaine as a cold blooded villain. In fact,up until more politically correct times,most heroes would need to be re-classed according to this methodology. Biggles takes on arch villain proportions. Even Indiana Jones would be classed as out-doing the Nazis considering how many deaths he’s caused directly or indirectly. Think on that.
Let’s get a little bit of perspective here. Sit down kiddies because if you’ve not watched any films made between 1920 to…well…now,and if you’ve not read any history on the British Empire or American Imperialism [“Hey,Japan:we’ve gun ships and troops harbored offshore now do business with us ‘voluntarily’ or we’ll make you!”] -in fact any empire or power!- you may be shocked.
Most sea-faring nations such as Spain,Italy,England,France etc.,sent out exploratory ships/fleets to seek out new lands and new treasures and subdue the local population by any means including genocide [keep some alive for slaves,of course]. The Ashante were great at being slavers and made a lot of money out of it. It’s a two-way thing you see -are black african slavers villains? Hey,slavery still exists today and amongst some of the West’s best pal nations.
But these Europeans were brave hero-explorers. Anyone hear of a little group called the Conquistadores? Dutch East India Company? The British East India Company -all had their private armies to,uh,”smooth things through”.
Ever read King Solomon’s Mines?
In comparison,Dearth was a limp-wristed liberal! Hmm. If you were a British soldier at Rourke’s Drift with Zulu warriors rushing toward you would you throw down your rifle and wave -”Hello! I’m really against all this imperialism stuff -care for tea and a chat?” Mind you,in Zulu Dawn,Denholm Elliott’s character more or less did just that -and was killed straight away!
Whichever city you lived in -London,Berlin,Paris- you would hear stories of strange lands,lost treasures and much more. The urge to follow those tales continue to this very day. If a chap was on his uppers and the old estate was falling to bits and,to be frank,the family coffers had been emptied long ago it was disgrace and destitution -but if you could find the “lost treasure” or anything worth a few quid you were saved!
I know that it is wrong to just go marching in,putting down the “locals” and stealing things that belong to them,whether they want to exploit it themselves or not –hey,I’m still for returning the Elgin Marbles and all those Egyptian artefacts we,uh,borrowed!
The context is that this was a totally different world. Officers and troopers posing for photographs of themselves resting their feet on a heap of natives heads should have been totally unacceptable even in the 19th century but it happened -apparently “fun” hunts were organised with horse-riding officers carrying “pig-stickers” but I get a feeling the natives involved weren’t having too much fun!
A white man would have his weapons because,even if a peaceful person,not all native persons were friendly in return [read some history]. I could write on the subject all day but it wouldn’t help.
The point is that we know,in the Iron Warrior strip,only that Dearth arrives in Africa with his creation. If attacked he defended himself. In volume 3 of the Black Tower Gold Collection,I published such a strip. Dearth is exploring an area when a local priest stirs things up -Dearth is attacked and,though he could easily do so,he does not set about killing everyone. In fact,he does fend off an attack by rushing straight at the warriors but then tries to use cunning to defeat the witch doctor.
Once the threat is sorted,Dearth goes on his way. The one thing we see is that the Iron Warrior is far from some type of remote-controlled killer doing its master’s bidding. It’s what would today be called a controlled vehicle or “power suit”.
Dearth get’s inside the Iron Warrior and operates controls and fires his weapons from here. He also operates the axe-wielding arm. Guessing at Dearth’s height the Iron Warrior has to be around 3-4 metres tall [10-12 feet]. But,it is still nothing more than a kind of hostile environment suit -almost similar to later [better designed] deep water suits.
What Denis Gifford wrote I have to take to be accurate -he did have a massive collection. So,I’m guessing that there was a remote control device and,it seems,a vocaliser of sorts. This does not appear in the later strips I’ve seen. That said,continuity was never a great strongpoint in comics back then.
Yes,the strip was violent but you have to recall that in early Tarzan films there were people being killed violently and arrows sticking out of heads. And,sadly,in war time Britain death was a daily event and kids [and adults] enjoyed a good “Darkest Africa” story with some white chap up against the natives.
So,do not think that,based on what people who have a narrow view of a character write,that Dearth and the Iron Warrior were just deadly killers. They weren’t.
Now,back to Big Bong!
The Iron Warrior vs Big Bong: When Giants Fought, written & drawn by Ben R. Dilworth
plus Jungle Terror by Terry Hooper-Scharf from Black Tower Adventure are available in one nice comic album at http://www.lulu.com/shop/terry-hooper-scharf/the-iron-warrior-collection/paperback/product-21157919.html
The thing is that you have to understand the age these characters come from. Putting 21st century sensibilities or any modern day ideas into characters from the mid-20th century just make them horrible Marvel or DC style reboot
How does this work when the characters come into contact with contemporary Black Tower characters? Well, buy the books and find out! Following Green Skies there will be a more formalised chronology for the characters so that there is a definite JLA-Justice Society (Earth 1 and Earth 2) vibe going on. Though the characters have met before the Green Skies saga will clear things up for newer readers but -and I have to emphasise this- the characters are not changed and certain not rebooted!!
If you cannot treat characters with certain respect and try to stay true to how they first appeared then you have failed as a creator. We do not have to reboot so that TNT Tom is afraid his father will find out he is the Wonder Boy because his father is a violent child beater!!
The reaction from people who first read the comics as kids 60-70 years ago and purchased the Black Tower reprints was that they were “over joyed” and thought they would never see their favourite characters again. Okay, not great sales but just those few comments give me a big boost.
But you get the odd person who says: "But Stransky & Labbat's Slicksure is different from the one in the Black Tower Golden Age Collection!" Yes, the character is the same but he is not drawn by Harry Banger -I think Gerald Swan would have loved the S&L Slicksure version because all it is, being honest, is drawn in a contemporary style.
You can add or develop these old characters but you MUST be true to what they were and, being honest, the industry is swamped in reboots, darkness, blurry-lined “good and evil” and just not enough fun.
To me, the up-dated Phantom Maid, Ace Hart, The Bat (which ever) and others such as Krakos are only "up-dated" in the sense that they are being written and drawn by modern creators. I would never dare to suppose that I had the right to drastically change characters. Develop, yes, but never ever "re-boot"!
I'm a little bit surprised that anyone could complain about 'Slicksure'. It's pretty innocuous - and a bit of fun. The conceit that only Slicksure's bullets could carry a sound, and that his two pstols had different sounds ( pop pop and bang bang ... dotdot, dashdash ) while the villains weapons carried no sound was ( I thought ) fun. Complaints ? About what ? Re-boot; no. Characters have a story to tell. When that story is over, they evolve or end - their story done. Spiderman is a good example, he changed from whiney teen to full blown adult over some 25 ? years. He didn't need a re-boot during those years. Neither do the Golden Age heroes. There is no 're-boot' - no 're-imagining'. These are the same characters presented in a new way only. I wish I had the time and the energy to copy some of the old work verbatim - line for line, tone for tone. It would, honestly, make me very happy. Instead, I conjure up a little 'thank you' to the creators of these old (and in some cases very old ) masterpieces of 'pulp fiction'. So no 're-boots'. Just 'respectfully yours'.
ReplyDeleteAs I keep writing and telling people: these ARE the same characters but in new adventures -NOT 1940-1952 reprints but NEW stories. Stories in which we keep the characters true to their origins (HOW I ever got Krakos right I do not know since I had never seen a full strip when that was done in 2009(?)!) AND we credit the creators where known. I thought the tone-tones of Slicksure's guns was quite funny and that the cops would hear them and get the message (but I've seen odder in British films of the period!) -police radio operators back then had to know Morse. And that final panel still makes me smile. I'm just deleting those comments from now on because these people have done NOTHING themselves to promote or keep these forgotten treasures alive -though I note it's getting trendy at the moment to be "into" these and WHOSE work and postings are they using to show their knowledge? Check the internet (Google and Yahoo) -all internet highways lead back to me. But, my old darling this is what I put up with weekly, monthly, yearly. WHY do I want to retire. You do great work and Swan would have kept you in full time employment back then!!
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